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		<title>By: Eric Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, know that direct mail marketing works; I just find it to be an abuse of trust. Allow me to explain.

I&#039;ve worked in the marketing industry in the US for the last 5 years now, in a technological role and &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; as a marketer, so while I&#039;ve never made the call to direction I have seen the repercussions after the fact. I say that to say that I have personally witnessed the positive ROI in doing a direct, physical, mail campaign. Sometimes it&#039;s a much higher return than a complete online campaign (depending on the market obviously).

That being said, from a consumer standpoint, I agree with Gaby. It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; an invasion of my information and (usually) exploitation of the social contract when Gaby gave the information in the first place (all she wanted was a pizza man which I&#039;m assuming she paid cold cash for). I have personally never ordered a pizza and signed a contract saying, &quot;Sure, please send me all sorts of crap in the mail. That&#039;d be great.&quot;. 

Yes, there are Terms of Service agreememnts (TOS). The problem with those is that people rarely read them and even those that do can, and often do, misconstrue their meaning. IMHO it&#039;s quite obvious that Terms of Service agreements are not a reliable way of informing the average consumer of what they&#039;re in for. There. I said it :)

Anyway, while I just throw junk mail away it&#039;s still a pain in the ass because I get soooo much of it, every single day, I&#039;m always worried legitimate mail is stuck inside. So, in effect, while I&#039;m looking for my mail I&#039;m getting marketed to. I never agreed to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, know that direct mail marketing works; I just find it to be an abuse of trust. Allow me to explain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked in the marketing industry in the US for the last 5 years now, in a technological role and <em>not</em> as a marketer, so while I&#8217;ve never made the call to direction I have seen the repercussions after the fact. I say that to say that I have personally witnessed the positive ROI in doing a direct, physical, mail campaign. Sometimes it&#8217;s a much higher return than a complete online campaign (depending on the market obviously).</p>
<p>That being said, from a consumer standpoint, I agree with Gaby. It <em>is</em> an invasion of my information and (usually) exploitation of the social contract when Gaby gave the information in the first place (all she wanted was a pizza man which I&#8217;m assuming she paid cold cash for). I have personally never ordered a pizza and signed a contract saying, &#8220;Sure, please send me all sorts of crap in the mail. That&#8217;d be great.&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yes, there are Terms of Service agreememnts (TOS). The problem with those is that people rarely read them and even those that do can, and often do, misconstrue their meaning. IMHO it&#8217;s quite obvious that Terms of Service agreements are not a reliable way of informing the average consumer of what they&#8217;re in for. There. I said it <img src='http://www.arteki.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, while I just throw junk mail away it&#8217;s still a pain in the ass because I get soooo much of it, every single day, I&#8217;m always worried legitimate mail is stuck inside. So, in effect, while I&#8217;m looking for my mail I&#8217;m getting marketed to. I never agreed to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
		<link>http://www.arteki.com/direct-marketing-doesnt-work/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be sure we&#039;re clear, I&#039;m just saying that I don&#039;t mind ads WHEN they don&#039;t force or trick you into interacting with them. It seems like credit card companies are the worst when it comes to mailing an envelope that&#039;s disguised as an &quot;urgent&quot; letter so that I&#039;ll open in it just incase it is actually urgent (when will I ever learn?). The Dominos franchise near me actually tried phone advertising (as I think you stated as well) and the manager, whom I know, tells me their phones were tied up with complaint calls at their store as a result.

A lot of companies, thanks to the internet, have been using a lot more permission based advertising lately. I&#039;ve actually signed up with a number of stores, such as Borders, for their weekly coupons which are great considering how much I read. Restaurants are great to sign up with as well since they tend to email coupons for free dinner when it&#039;s your birthday, yum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be sure we&#8217;re clear, I&#8217;m just saying that I don&#8217;t mind ads WHEN they don&#8217;t force or trick you into interacting with them. It seems like credit card companies are the worst when it comes to mailing an envelope that&#8217;s disguised as an &#8220;urgent&#8221; letter so that I&#8217;ll open in it just incase it is actually urgent (when will I ever learn?). The Dominos franchise near me actually tried phone advertising (as I think you stated as well) and the manager, whom I know, tells me their phones were tied up with complaint calls at their store as a result.</p>
<p>A lot of companies, thanks to the internet, have been using a lot more permission based advertising lately. I&#8217;ve actually signed up with a number of stores, such as Borders, for their weekly coupons which are great considering how much I read. Restaurants are great to sign up with as well since they tend to email coupons for free dinner when it&#8217;s your birthday, yum.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaby</title>
		<link>http://www.arteki.com/direct-marketing-doesnt-work/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for your comment! It&#039;s great to hear the other side of the argument (I don&#039;t know any marketers). I wrote this post knowing it was likely I&#039;d eventually be told I was wrong, but I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve gone into the argument rather than just saying I&#039;m wrong :D

I think the reason I hate direct advertising so much is because at some point I&#039;ve interacted with a business and they then (in my opinion) abuse that interaction by later using my details to contact me with adverts. I&#039;m very much a &quot;I didn&#039;t give you permission to use [insert something like contact details, ideas or artwork here] in that way&quot; person. That&#039;s why spam through the letter box doesn&#039;t bother me as much - they&#039;re sending it to the house not necessarily to me unless it&#039;s in an addressed envelope. My email is publicly posted on-line, so again that&#039;s not necessarily at me because they just scrape whatever emails they can. But contact by phone just seems so much more personal and invasive because I don&#039;t give that info out publicly.

You do have a point about ads not forcing or tricking people into anything. I&#039;ll try to keep it in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your comment! It&#8217;s great to hear the other side of the argument (I don&#8217;t know any marketers). I wrote this post knowing it was likely I&#8217;d eventually be told I was wrong, but I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve gone into the argument rather than just saying I&#8217;m wrong <img src='http://www.arteki.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think the reason I hate direct advertising so much is because at some point I&#8217;ve interacted with a business and they then (in my opinion) abuse that interaction by later using my details to contact me with adverts. I&#8217;m very much a &#8220;I didn&#8217;t give you permission to use [insert something like contact details, ideas or artwork here] in that way&#8221; person. That&#8217;s why spam through the letter box doesn&#8217;t bother me as much &#8211; they&#8217;re sending it to the house not necessarily to me unless it&#8217;s in an addressed envelope. My email is publicly posted on-line, so again that&#8217;s not necessarily at me because they just scrape whatever emails they can. But contact by phone just seems so much more personal and invasive because I don&#8217;t give that info out publicly.</p>
<p>You do have a point about ads not forcing or tricking people into anything. I&#8217;ll try to keep it in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
		<link>http://www.arteki.com/direct-marketing-doesnt-work/#comment-1184</link>
		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who does a lot of direct mail pieces (in the US) I should say that we continue to do this because it provides great results (meaning that you&#039;re wrong, although I enjoyed your blog). Personally I&#039;d like to do a lot more &quot;permission advertising&quot; as Seth Godin often talks about but really, mailers work with or without permission. I do agree however that some customers, such as yourself, do get offended by the intrusion to the point of no longer wanted to shop with a certain company. I&#039;ve actually received complaints about &quot;intruding&quot; on the Sunday funnies in the newspaper with advertising so you do learn to tune the complaints out because otherwise, you couldn&#039;t advertise anywhere without offending someone.

As a consumer I have to say, spam is no problem for me because I can easily put it in a recycling bin and it&#039;s important to remember, it&#039;s only spam if it doesn&#039;t interest you but when it does it&#039;s actually informative (I love receiving coupons for oil changes). I do however despise email spam since it takes more effort to dispose of (especially if you have a slow connection or just a slow computer).

Personally I find the perspective of people such as yourself to be odd. In my view, so long as the unwanted ad doesn&#039;t force or trick me into interacting with it then I really don&#039;t see the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who does a lot of direct mail pieces (in the US) I should say that we continue to do this because it provides great results (meaning that you&#8217;re wrong, although I enjoyed your blog). Personally I&#8217;d like to do a lot more &#8220;permission advertising&#8221; as Seth Godin often talks about but really, mailers work with or without permission. I do agree however that some customers, such as yourself, do get offended by the intrusion to the point of no longer wanted to shop with a certain company. I&#8217;ve actually received complaints about &#8220;intruding&#8221; on the Sunday funnies in the newspaper with advertising so you do learn to tune the complaints out because otherwise, you couldn&#8217;t advertise anywhere without offending someone.</p>
<p>As a consumer I have to say, spam is no problem for me because I can easily put it in a recycling bin and it&#8217;s important to remember, it&#8217;s only spam if it doesn&#8217;t interest you but when it does it&#8217;s actually informative (I love receiving coupons for oil changes). I do however despise email spam since it takes more effort to dispose of (especially if you have a slow connection or just a slow computer).</p>
<p>Personally I find the perspective of people such as yourself to be odd. In my view, so long as the unwanted ad doesn&#8217;t force or trick me into interacting with it then I really don&#8217;t see the problem.</p>
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